Subject: Tutankhamen: Fact or Fiction?
Posted by: ElusiveDream
Date: Sep 27 15
Let's talk about Tutankhamen, one of Ancient Egypt's most famous rulers.
Posted by: ElusiveDream
Date: Sep 27 15
Let's talk about Tutankhamen, one of Ancient Egypt's most famous rulers.
30 replies. On page 1 of 2 pages. 1 2
MiraJane 
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Let's talk about your Subject heading. What is "Fact or Fiction?" referring to? Reply #1. Sep 27 15, 7:27 AM |
jimbeer
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I am leaning "Fact". Reply #2. Sep 27 15, 8:15 AM |
daver852
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Fact: buried in a tomb not originally designed for him, possibly one built for his successor, Ay, who then usurped the tomb being built for Tut at the time of his death. Tut's burial shows signs of being hastily thrown together, indicating that his death was unexpected (the cause of his death is still debated). Reply #3. Sep 27 15, 9:18 AM |
13LuckyLady
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Some say murder. Some say illness. Either way, I would hate my resting place being disturbed and then being carted all over the world. I wonder what kind of leader he would have been.... Reply #4. Sep 27 15, 10:53 AM |
ElusiveDream
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Basically, 'Fact or Fiction?' means that you tell me something you've heard about Tutankhamen and I'll do some research then tell you if what you've heard is true or false. Anyway, here's something interesting that I learnt recently: Tutankhamen's famous gold death mask was originally designed for a woman. Reply #5. Sep 27 15, 5:34 PM |
| daver852
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Many of the gold objects found in Tut's tomb were originally made for someone else. A popular theory (and one I subscribe to) is that the gold objects associated with Akhenaten were considered cursed by the priests of Amun, and were buried with Tut to get rid of them. His tomb certainly contained more gold than would be expected for such an insignificant ruler. One interesting fact is that DNA testing has pretty well established that Tut was the son of Akhenaten by one of his minor wives. Reply #6. Sep 27 15, 6:39 PM |
| MiraJane
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His tomb was so hastily done that the painted walls didn't have time to dry. If you look at photos of the decorations, there are spots on them. His tomb is the only place in the Valle of the Kings those spots appear. Scientist, I'm sorry I forgot from where, discovered those spots are a mold. Fortunately, the mold is dead now and not growing. Current photos of the spotted figures on the tomb walls show the spots are the same as when the tomb was discovered by Howard Carter and have not grown. Ay may have been the father of Nefertiti, mother of Tut's wife. Again, it's from a King Tut documentary I saw withint the past month. Unfortunately for me, last week seems so long ago and I cannot remember details. It was on the National Geographic channel if anyone is interested in researched this documentaries. Reply #7. Sep 27 15, 10:41 PM |
| ElusiveDream
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Whoops! It seems I've been spelling Tut's name wrong. Sorry! Anyway, for thousands of years, ancient Egyptians have worshipped a multitude of gods, but under Akhenaten's rule, people were only allowed to worship Aten, the sun disk. The worship of the other gods, especially the chief god, Amun, was banned. Akhenaten was so confident his new religion would last for centuries that he named his son Tutankaten, the "Living Image of Aten". When Tut was crowned Pharaoh at the age of nine, he re-instated the worship of all the gods, and showed his support for the Priests of Amun by changing his name to Tutankhamun, the "Living Image of Amun". Reply #8. Sep 28 15, 12:41 AM |
| ElusiveDream
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Whoops! It seems I've been spelling Tut's name wrong. Sorry! Anyway, for thousands of years, ancient Egyptians had worshipped a multitude of gods, but under Akhenaten's rule, people were only allowed to worship Aten, the sun disk. The worship of the other gods, especially the chief god, Amun, was banned. Akhenaten was so confident his new religion would last for centuries that he named his son Tutankaten, the "Living Image of Aten". When Tut was crowned Pharaoh at the age of nine, he re-instated the worship of all the gods, and showed his support for the Priests of Amun by changing his name to Tutankhamun, the "Living Image of Amun". Reply #9. Sep 28 15, 12:42 AM |
| ElusiveDream
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Sorry I just posted the same thing twice. I made a slight spelling mistake. Reply #10. Sep 28 15, 12:43 AM |
| daver852
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There are several ways to spell Tut's name; as far as I know, all are acceptable. Egyptians frequently did not write vowels, so in many cases, it's just a guess. You'll see the same name written as Ramses, Ramesses, etc. No one is more correct than the other. Reply #11. Sep 28 15, 1:10 AM |
| ElusiveDream
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I have another thread similar to this one on the sci/tech chat board called 'Dinosaurs: Fact or Fiction?' which needs a few replies. Reply #12. Sep 28 15, 7:36 AM |
| ElusiveDream
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We all know there's a debate about how Tut died. Some say he was murdered, others say he died from illness. However, various injuries seem to point to him dying in a chariot accident, perhaps by being run over. Reply #13. Sep 29 15, 12:15 AM |
| daver852
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Interesting story, breaking just now: http://www.foxnews.com/science/2015/09/29/king-tuts-tomb-may-contain-two-hidden-chambers-experts-say/ Reply #14. Sep 29 15, 1:23 PM |
| ElusiveDream
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Thanks for the link to that story, daver. Reply #15. Sep 29 15, 5:21 PM |
| ElusiveDream
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It seems Tut's burial wasn't the only thing that was rushed. Normally, when preparing a body for mummification, the embalmers probably took their time and made sure they did things properly. However, in this case, the mummification was rushed and, therefore, the embalmers messed up. Some of the oils they used were self-heating, but they didn't let the oils dry before applying the linen bandages. So, over time, the oils got too hot and Tut's body was burnt. Reply #16. Oct 05 15, 12:27 AM |
jabb5076
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I don't know about Tut, but the normal process of mumification took about 40 days. I was at the Smithsonian Museum of Natural History just last month and they had an interesting display taking you through iit step by step. Reply #17. Oct 05 15, 6:34 AM |
Mixamatosis
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I saw a programme on Tutankhamun the other day. There were some interesting theories in it. 10 Tha Nefertiti became a co-ruler with Akhenaton before his death under a different (male name). The idea being that she would carry on his religious reforms if Akhenaton died before Tutaknkamun had grown up. That, she did not die in Amarna but went on to be buried in The Valley of the Kings. That Tutankhamun died suddenly and was buried in a small and hastily prepared tomb that had originally been intended for Nefertiti. Many of her artifacts were found in it. The idea of the possibility of further chambers beyond the tomb was explored. The mother of Tutankhamun has been identified by DNA testing and her mummy is in a museum. Some people think that mummy is Nefertiti herself and that she is the actual mother of Tutankhamun. Reply #18. Jul 18 16, 4:03 AM |
| Mixamatosis
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Re Tut's cause of death. I saw another programme that analysed his Mummy. All the burial arrangements point to a sudden death and his skeleton had leg breakages which would be consistent with an accident he was thrown from a chariot - possibly in a war or hunting or a race. Although leg breakages themselves may not be fatal, likely infection in wounds in those times would be. Reply #19. Jul 18 16, 4:09 AM |
| Mixamatosis
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Update: I've just seen a BBC programme called "Tutankhamun the Truth Uncovered". To cut a long story short, it seems he could not have ridden a chariot with his club foot and another syndrome that meant the bones in that foot were inflamed and disintegrating. So he could not have died as a result of a chariot accident. The latest theory from also looking at evidence related to his father Akhenaton and great grandfather Thutmosis the IV and considering that the family was incestuous Tut's mother was Akhenaton's sister) and the generations were dying successively earlier and earlier, was that Tut suffered from an inherited disease, temporal lobe epilepsy, which, untreated, would explain early deaths in the family, visions, hormonal disruption leading to female characteristics in appearance and Tut's probable cause of death - the only damage in his skeleton which happened prior to and near to his death - the breakage in his femur probably as a result of a fall caused by his epilepsy. The resulting bleeding and infection would likely have led to his death. Reply #20. Jul 30 16, 2:42 PM |
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