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Reply #201. Apr 14 18, 4:09 PM |
C30
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brm...............different navy, different ships!...........by that I mean in the RN, Commodore is an actual rank, as well as sometimes being an honorary title given to the senior captain of a group of ships. Captain.......................4 thick stripes Commodore.................1 Broad stripe Rear Admiral................1 Broad Stripe and 1 Thick stripe Thus is senior to a Captain, but junior to Rear Admiral........is this the same as your "Rear Admiral, junior grade"? Reply #202. Apr 15 18, 3:36 AM |
nasty_liar
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I know that you would be right C30 in what you say but Star Trek has its own version of military ranks and what is correct procedure in situations as above. It's generally called, "whatever the plot needs it to be". In the original series the conflict written into the plot for Kirk would be a commisioner or commodore coming aboard and threatening to 'take command' via some nonsense directive or such because the situation demands. Examples of this can be seen in 'Galileo Seven' and 'A Taste of Armageddon'. In Galileo Seven (one of my all time favourites) the commisioner on board keeps coming to the bridge to threaten Kirk that he will invoke his authority and this is added to create tension over the fact that Kirk needs to stop searching for his landing party and head off to treat some plague on a neighbouring planet. Sometimes the situation as C30 tells it is upheld. In Star Trek: The Next Gen episode 'Arsenal of Freedom' both Picard, Riker and Data are indisposed on the planet and Lt. junior grade Geordi Laforge is left in command. As you say he is part of the command crew and that is logical, but in true Star Trek fashion tension is created when the Chief Engineer Lt (full grade) Leech comes to the bridge and tries to take command because he outranks Geordi. Who then refuses (but subsequently compromises by separating the ship and sending Leech away in command of the saucer section). Reply #203. Apr 15 18, 5:24 AM |
C30
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All what you say is true Nasty.........the dictates of the plot and the need to feature the "stars" of the series, determine the rules. I mean, NO WAY would a "Landing Party" be composed of the most senior officers of a ship...............would be a VERY junior officer and a bunch of "other ranks". Still I had best stop hijacking the thread and let it return to original purpose. Reply #204. Apr 15 18, 11:21 AM |
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Reply #205. Apr 15 18, 11:57 AM |
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Yes, usually Picard very rigidly sticks to that. One of the exceptions is that sane episode I mention, ‘Arsenal of Freedom’, when he beams down immediately upon learning that Riker has been encased in a type of force field and the ‘away team’ is under fire from an increasingly advanced adversary. So obviously the logical decision is for both he and the chief medical officer to beam down! Because this decision is such a departure from how the character usually acts it is an even more glaring plot device to have all of the senior officers off of the ship. Just to briefly mention that episode has got a worthy science fiction theme, the civilisation that created weaponry so advanced and intelligent that it destroyed then all. Sadly this theme is almost treated like a footnote by the episode, barely addressed at all. Reply #206. Apr 15 18, 12:14 PM |
Litecruzer
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I appreciate this conversation too, thanks guys. In speaking of the chain of command structures, it reminded me of Commodore Decker who did pull rank on first officer Spock when Captain Kirk was on board the Commodore's dying ship, in "The Doomsday Machine" episode. With Kirk's direct fervent order as Captain, Spock assumed command again, with finally resorting to a pending arrest of the mentally traumatized Commodore. It's interesting how Commodore has different standings in various command settings. Reply #207. Apr 15 18, 12:47 PM |
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Reply #208. Apr 15 18, 1:47 PM |
Litecruzer
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Ha ha, I have to agree with that! William Windom did an over-the-top, but a great performance as a commander who lost his entire crew and understandably wanted justice. I read that James Doohan(Scotty) was impressed with his delivery of this tormented Commodore. Reply #209. Apr 15 18, 2:14 PM |
Creedy
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I love all the "Star Trek" series, but "Voyager" is my favourite :) Reply #210. May 04 18, 3:45 AM |
brm50diboll
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Reply #211. May 04 18, 6:38 AM |
Jazmee27
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Never got into that series. I am, however, reading a novel (well, listening to it) with similar command structure. Except you have some of the officers being dropped out of the fleet for supposed dishonorable conduct. And there are different spires who go to battle against each other Reply #212. May 04 18, 6:46 AM |
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Reply #213. May 14 18, 11:53 AM |
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Reply #214. Jun 01 18, 11:19 AM |
brm50diboll
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Reply #215. Jun 01 18, 11:22 AM |
terraorca
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I enjoyed Quantum Leap quite a bit, from what I can remember of it. Reply #216. Jun 05 18, 12:19 PM |
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Reply #217. Jun 05 18, 12:46 PM |
Blackdresss
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Brian, I asked where you had discussed "Westworld" in here, but I found and read it. Very interesting. But you're interacting online regarding this series, and I'm letting it all play out while I try to figure it out myself. I learned things from reading what you've written that I didn't figure out myself, like the anagram of Arnold's name. Speaking of A.I. and being nice to A.I., so it will be nice to you, have you seen the movie "Her" with Joaquin Phoenix and Scarlett Johansson? It's set in the not-so-distant future, and it's interesting that the only thing truly glaringly different about this future is that men wear their pants pulled up really high. But I digress... Joaquin is lonely after his divorce, so he buys an interactive A.I. program, which is where Scarlett comes in. She's the "voice" in this entire film. And while he is very nice to his A.I., she is not quite as nice to him. I'd love to hear what you think of this film, if you've seen it. Reply #218. Jun 06 18, 5:19 PM |
brm50diboll
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Reply #219. Jun 06 18, 5:50 PM |
Blackdresss
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I liked the movie "Lucy." I think you would like "Her." And you aren't interrupting by posting in that other Blog. Not at all. I didn't realize Delos came from the original story. But now I'm tempted to find the site you talked about, so I can ask that program a few questions of my own. I'm going to try to resist, though. I like not knowing where this is going, and figuring it out on my own. Evan Rachel Wood said she had no clue what the storyline was going to be, and she just pulled from her past to come up with all the emotions, and non-emotions, she needs for this series. Sadly, she has one whacked past. Reply #220. Jun 06 18, 6:39 PM |
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