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What is the most likely etymology of "dead as a doornail"

Question #151305. Asked by BigTriviaDawg.
Last updated Jul 16 2024.
Originally posted Jun 22 2024 8:19 PM.

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There is some dispute as to the exact derivation. One hypothesis suggests that wealthy people used metal nails in the construction of their doors, as opposed to cheaper wooden pegs. Such nails were hammered in and became "dead" or no longer reusable from that point.
link https://www.dictionary.com/browse/dead--as--a--doornail
So it turns out that a doornail isn't just a nail in a door, but a nail that cannot be removed and reused. Way back when, nails were made by hand and quite valuable. People would salvage and repurpose nails whenever they could. The way doornails were bent and driven into the backside of a door made it virtually impossible for them to be reused as a nail.

So not only are doornails dead simply because they're nails, but because their future potential for any other use is also dead. They are doubly dead, if you will. Extra deceased.
link https://www.upworthy.com/origin-of-dead-as-a-doornail

Jun 22 2024, 8:24 PM
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Another explanation is that the nails were not just hammered in but pounded over.
One plausible explanation is that doors were built using only wood boards and hand-forged nails: the nails were long enough to dead nail the (vertical) wooden panels and (horizontal) stretcher boards securely together, so they would not easily pull apart. This was done by pounding the protruding point of the nail over and down into the wood. A nail that was bent in this fashion (and thus not easily pulled out) was said to be "dead", thus dead as a doornail.

Here's a video trying to explain the origin of the expression:

link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JOwfKLdRt8&t=42s

Jul 16 2024, 4:09 PM
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