Subject: Soon: New reward system and more
Posted by: WesleyCrusher
Date: Aug 13 23
If you've been reading the right posts, you may have noticed that we've been busy behind the scenes. In fact, we're working on... big stuff.
While we're not quite ready yet to spill the beans, we'll say this much - a key element will be a new reward system to replace the current level system that has, over the last fifteen years, grown out of balance. Back in 2008, we had like 50 badges and point levels and badge levels were comparable. Level 80 was REALLY a lot.
As it stands now, top players have exceeded 250 levels - and almost all of that is from getting tier 1 on major badges. Almost nothing else matters - point levels are FAR apart once you are above 5 million or so.
Come September (we'll announce the exact date closer to release) this will change. The new system will give points some proper value beyond the first few again, it will reward gaining tiers, authoring, team play and just being active throughout the site. There will also be less of a distinction between minis and full badges - a differentiation we mainly made to keep levels from reaching 600 and above anyway!
Most of the back-end calculations are in place already - meaning you are already being tracked and rewarded for plays in ways you don't know... yet. But if you want to get a head start into the new system on top of what you've already done - gaining some tiers, playing a wide variety of games and authoring quizzes, questions and crosswords can do that.
Our end goal is to make FunTrivia feel a lot more like what it deserves to be: Not a random collection of quizzes and games, but rather ONE game pretty much like an MMO (massively multiplayer online) game- but one where you don't win by grinding character stats but rather where YOUR OWN skills determine your progress and success. All the elements for it have been there for a long time. We'll finally combine them.
(Of course if you prefer, you can keep treating things like a collection like you always did - you will still be able to play quizzes, win an hourly or work towards a GC title. But you can also look at the whole - and play FunTrivia.)
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Please note: We're announcing this early so you will know that we're working - and you may occasionally see things briefly not working as they should. If a problem should persist, by all means let us know immediately - major changes on a live system won't come without bugs.
Editors are already using the new system, so we hope to have enough testing to have a smoothly working version on release day that won't interfere with your play experience due to bugs. However, if you're absolutely bent on spending one month on THAT monthly you've been missing for ages and you know it's going to be tight, September might not be the best choice if you're worried about bugs. On the other hand, the transition might make players shift priorities and it could be easier than ever. It could go either way!
I would also like to ask you to not immediately knee-jerk react with a "rubbish" but rather wait until you've played with the new system.
Yes, it's always going to take some adjusting and a few players - those who have exclusively targeted high level by taking one tier of each badge and moving on - may find themselves in a less remarkable position. However if you're one of those players, you will also find ample easy opportunities to boost your tier count before the system goes live - so now is the time and you'll find it rather easy to catch up to your old status once you've harvested what should be ample low-hanging fruit for you!
Posted by: WesleyCrusher
Date: Aug 13 23
If you've been reading the right posts, you may have noticed that we've been busy behind the scenes. In fact, we're working on... big stuff.
While we're not quite ready yet to spill the beans, we'll say this much - a key element will be a new reward system to replace the current level system that has, over the last fifteen years, grown out of balance. Back in 2008, we had like 50 badges and point levels and badge levels were comparable. Level 80 was REALLY a lot.
As it stands now, top players have exceeded 250 levels - and almost all of that is from getting tier 1 on major badges. Almost nothing else matters - point levels are FAR apart once you are above 5 million or so.
Come September (we'll announce the exact date closer to release) this will change. The new system will give points some proper value beyond the first few again, it will reward gaining tiers, authoring, team play and just being active throughout the site. There will also be less of a distinction between minis and full badges - a differentiation we mainly made to keep levels from reaching 600 and above anyway!
Most of the back-end calculations are in place already - meaning you are already being tracked and rewarded for plays in ways you don't know... yet. But if you want to get a head start into the new system on top of what you've already done - gaining some tiers, playing a wide variety of games and authoring quizzes, questions and crosswords can do that.
Our end goal is to make FunTrivia feel a lot more like what it deserves to be: Not a random collection of quizzes and games, but rather ONE game pretty much like an MMO (massively multiplayer online) game- but one where you don't win by grinding character stats but rather where YOUR OWN skills determine your progress and success. All the elements for it have been there for a long time. We'll finally combine them.
(Of course if you prefer, you can keep treating things like a collection like you always did - you will still be able to play quizzes, win an hourly or work towards a GC title. But you can also look at the whole - and play FunTrivia.)
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Please note: We're announcing this early so you will know that we're working - and you may occasionally see things briefly not working as they should. If a problem should persist, by all means let us know immediately - major changes on a live system won't come without bugs.
Editors are already using the new system, so we hope to have enough testing to have a smoothly working version on release day that won't interfere with your play experience due to bugs. However, if you're absolutely bent on spending one month on THAT monthly you've been missing for ages and you know it's going to be tight, September might not be the best choice if you're worried about bugs. On the other hand, the transition might make players shift priorities and it could be easier than ever. It could go either way!
I would also like to ask you to not immediately knee-jerk react with a "rubbish" but rather wait until you've played with the new system.
Yes, it's always going to take some adjusting and a few players - those who have exclusively targeted high level by taking one tier of each badge and moving on - may find themselves in a less remarkable position. However if you're one of those players, you will also find ample easy opportunities to boost your tier count before the system goes live - so now is the time and you'll find it rather easy to catch up to your old status once you've harvested what should be ample low-hanging fruit for you!
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Thank you for devising a system without user input, communication with team leaders, or paid members. You made New Coke look like a good idea. Your process sucked, your arrogance is worse. I for one will be leaving the board as a result and urge other players to do so as well. The board leaders are bleeping morons. Reply #281. Aug 30 23, 9:41 PM |
kyleisalive
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I'm a little surprised by this feedback so immediately after the launch and with the assumption that this was done without any feedback or input. As this thread we're on here came up on August 13th, I'm not sure what the expectation was for further advance warning. If it's any help, literally none of FunTrivia's ongoing games have changed; none of its quizzes, crosswords, challenges, and tournaments have been affected; none of its pages have been shifted around or removed. The only thing that's been done is the addition of more user customizability, additional rewards, and in the coming months, more activities that we hope will encourage players and creators to engage with some of what we believe the site has to offer based on the past twenty-three years of user input. We're very open to criticism and feedback because we want to ensure that anything we add to the site suits the majority of our existing users and encourages new ones to hang out and grow the community. If you have anywhere to point so that we can start determining what you don't like (other than 'the whole thing'), then that can be a start. :) In the meantime, hopefully you can enjoy what FunTrivia already had to offer-- it's all literally still there, fully-accessible, and behaving the way it did before this rolled out with no real need to be changed. Reply #282. Aug 30 23, 10:24 PM |
Upstart3
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Really impressed with what you’ve done. And how smoothly you’ve made the changes. Thank you. Reply #283. Aug 31 23, 2:11 AM |
Gumby1967
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I'm so very happy that some of our Dearly Departed Friends like nizard and HurricaneBill have had their Profiles Updated to the New System. It's a nice touch! Perhaps one day we could honour them with a Special Badge "Trivia Heaven". We will all be joining them one day, so let's go out with a Final Badge! Reply #284. Aug 31 23, 3:11 AM |
charlie-1
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Well, I certainly won't be leaving as a result of the changes. Thank you to everyone for implementing the changes. Now, all I have to do is get my thick head around understanding them, lol! Reply #285. Aug 31 23, 5:25 AM |
shuehorn
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It all seems a bit daunting at the moment! Reply #286. Aug 31 23, 5:32 AM |
misstified
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Thanks for replying to my posting yesterday LadyNym. I can see I didn't make clear which points I was asking about so I'm posting an amended request. It would be useful to have a list of how many FunTrivia points, gained for playing quizzes and games, are needed to gain a prestige point. I can only see how many I need for the next prestige point now. An odd number of FunTrivia points are needed for a prestige point now whereas before a level upgrade happened when the next round million FT points (or multiples thereof) was reached. Even if some conversion factor was used between the two systems, it would seem more logical to make changes happen at least at a round number of FT points. Reply #287. Aug 31 23, 6:00 AM |
WesleyCrusher
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misstified, the new formula for points to prestige is a smooth curve - each prestige takes 18 points more than the previous one. We didn't want a table with arbitrary jumps - it's also just too many entries given that 3000 prestige from points is not impossible. (it takes 81 million FT points) So if you have 100 points prestige, it's approximately 1800 from one to next. If you have 500, it's roughly 9000. And in your case (around the 1500 mark), you're looking at about 27,000 per. Reply #288. Aug 31 23, 6:17 AM |
MariaVerde
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Are prestige points going to be added to the gold member rankings? Reply #289. Aug 31 23, 6:50 AM |
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Reply 113 prestige=floor(sqrt(points/9) Misstified total Pts 20016689 Square root of (20016689)=4474 4474/3=1491,33 You have 1491 prestiges 1491 prestiges=1491X1491X9=20007729 funtrivia pts 1492 prestiges=1492X1492X9=20034576 funtrivia one prestige=34576-7729=26847 funtrivia pts. Reply #290. Aug 31 23, 7:02 AM |
blaster2014
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Nice job. Reply #291. Aug 31 23, 8:37 AM |
Wordpie
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Loving it so far. Deb Reply #292. Aug 31 23, 11:42 AM |
KayceeKool
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These changes are wonderful. I especially love the surprise prestige points. It's like a secret round very corner. Well done, all. Reply #293. Aug 31 23, 11:59 AM |
Poppet18
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Enjoying the changes so far! Reply #294. Aug 31 23, 2:29 PM |
sally0malley
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It's going to take a bit for me to get used to it but I so appreciate all the work that went into the new design! Thank you Terry and Wes! Reply #295. Aug 31 23, 3:40 PM |
andymuenz
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Just discovered a potential bug. I was playing a quiz I had already played in the past and scored 10/10 on. When I played it again today, I also got 10/10. After I played, I saw 2 contradictory messages: First - Perk: you currently earn 19 pts per correct answer. FunTrivia points scored: 190 Second - You had played this quiz in the past, so let's determine your replay points... Your best score to date on this quiz was 10/10 You can't improve your score, so no improvement points can be earned. You still, however, earn 5 points each for the 10 correct questions: 50 points. I hadn't checked my overall point total before I played so I don't know which is the actual score I received, but eliminating the other one would make things less confusing. Reply #296. Aug 31 23, 5:38 PM |
Qmel
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Gumby1967…the Final badge is a great idea! Reply #297. Aug 31 23, 5:51 PM |
Dagny1
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Andy, the 'points scored' are for correct answers the first time you play a quiz plus any increase in correct answers. The five points per correct answer is what you get on replays of perfect scores. It's been this way but I admit the '19 points' bit is somewhat confusing until you get used to seeing it there. Reply #298. Aug 31 23, 7:01 PM |
Mazee1
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I am finding this all very interesting, indeed. Not to mention fun! My favorite thing? Now qualifying for my Duel ties to count as WINS! Woo hoo! :)) Reply #299. Aug 31 23, 10:35 PM |
cardsfan_027
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This new way is addicting. I'm sure the powers that be had that in mind. lol Reply #300. Aug 31 23, 10:59 PM |
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